Tanya Hale 00:00 

Hey there, welcome to Intentional Living with Tanya Hale. This is episode number 340, "The Mid-life 'Now What' with Angela Ashhurst McGee." Welcome to your place for finding greater happiness through intentional growth, because we don't just fall into the life of our dreams...we choose to create it. 

Tanya Hale 00:23 

Well, hey there, my friends. Welcome to the podcast today. I was always just so happy to have you here, and I am happy to share some things with you today as well. Just a quick reminder before we jump in. Talk with Tanya is January 14th. That is a free webinar where you can come on, and we will talk about whatever you want to talk about. If you want to dive deeper into a concept, we can dive deeper into a concept. If you want a little bit of coaching or insight into a situation, let's do that. All things are fair game. You can go to my website, tanyahale.com. You can click on the "group coaching" tab, and there is a button there for a Talk with Tanya. You can get signed up, and I will see you on a Zoom call on January 14th, so check that out. 

Tanya Hale 01:09 

Also, classes start next week on January 8th, on Wednesday. I've got two classes going on, "Mindset Reset," where we're just going to go back to the basics of mindset work, and the thought model, and work through all of that, and how mindset works, and why it's so important, and why it works, and all of these things. Then the other one is "Relationship Reset." This is for anyone, singles, couples, married, not married, children, no children. You want to go back to the basics of the relationships, and what makes them work, and how to communicate, and how to show up, and all those kinds of good things. This is going to be a really, really great class. I have taught this one under a different name before, and it's so fun to teach. It's so fun to dive into these topics. 

Tanya Hale 01:59 

Classes are nine weeks long. They last an hour and you just can't beat the value for the price that you're getting. So again, you can go to the same place, the "group coaching" tab at tanyahale.com to learn a little bit more about those and get signed up for them. Each class is capped at 10 people. I want to keep it small so that we can have plenty of time for everybody to ask questions and to discuss and to dive a little bit deeper into what's going on. So and that's gonna do it as far as things I want to talk to you about is as far as that goes and we're gonna jump in today. 

Tanya Hale 02:39 

Today I am interviewing a previous client. I worked with her during her divorce and she'll talk just a little bit about that, but she has an amazing business. I work with so many middle-aged women who come in and their kids are either older and they don't need mom home as much or their kids have left and then they're just like "okay, like now what? What do I do now with my life? I've been a stay-at-home mom for all these years. My degree is either super old and no longer relevant or I never got a degree. And yet, how do I move into the workforce, how do I start doing that." And Angela is a professional at helping women do that, and so we're going to talk today about if you are middle-aged, if you have been a stay-at-home for a mom for a lot of years, if you are trying to update your resume, if you are looking at getting into the workforce and you just don't know where to start. If you don't know where to start, Angela is your person. So you're gonna love the ideas that she has for you today. I just think she's brilliant. So here we go. My interview with her. 

Tanya Hale 03:51 

Alright, welcome to intentional living. Today I am here with a sweet friend Angela Ashurst-McGee. She is actually a previous client of mine, and we work together when she was going through her divorce. Angela, anything you'd want to say about that process? 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 04:11 

I really loved working with Tanya so much and I am excited to be here today. I thought that I was going into my divorce very well prepared. I had thought about it for a long time, I had done a lot of work on myself. I had actually worked with another LDS coach, Jessica Farmer, for several months and she was amazing. So I thought I was just ready to go. And things got so much more complicated than expected so fast and I really appreciated having just a reality check. You know, you did such a great job pulling me out of drama. I thought I was great at not getting sucked into drama. I just needed more help with that and more reality check. And, you know, money was really complicated during the divorce process, but it was such a great investment. I'm so grateful that I did that. 

Tanya Hale 05:15 

You know, I think "drama" and "divorce" are like synonyms. And I think as much as we think that we're not going to go into drama, I am not a big drama person, and yet there was so much drama, even after the divorce, like a year later, things were coming up and I was allowing myself to get pulled into so much drama. And I think you're right. I think, you know, having somebody who can just pull you back in. And I know that I was working with a coach like a year and a half later when something big happened for me. And it was like, "Oh, okay. Of course, I'm not shocked and surprised by this behavior. This is exactly what's to be expected." And yet I would allow myself to create some drama by being shocked and surprised by things that, of course, that was how things were going to go down. So yeah, very, very good. 

Tanya Hale 06:06 

Well, we had a great opportunity to work together. And I love that Angela has had this business for many years. And now that she's divorced, she's digging in full time and doing some amazing work. So Angela is the president and the founder of a company called Upward Resume. And she's a certified professional resume writer. And one thing that she is focusing on and creating some programs around right now is middle-age life, women getting back into the workforce. And we kind of talked about it just before our call is the "mid-life 'now what,'" like what's, what's going on now that I've raised my kids, I'm no longer a stay at home mom, I want to move on and yet what have I got? What's going on? So Angela, start us off with this. Tell us what are your answers to that 'now what?' 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 06:55 

Yeah, and that is such a good question. "And now what" is whatever you want. The real answer to that question. I really feel like that is one of the joys of middle age. You know, when I look back on my 20s and 30s, I have six children. So I started my business when baby number five was still a baby. And I was kind of doing the hustle during nap time and during like those little 90 minute periods when the toddler was at preschool. So I always had my foot in the door doing some kind of professional or freelancing, but it was very small. And it was very much on the back burner. 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 07:47 

So one of the things I have loved about my middle-aged years is that feeling of "I get to choose what to do" instead of like, you know, "now I'm doing this because of this child and now I'm doing this because it's preschool pickup time every hour." Now that I am in middle age and not always at the mercy of a whole bunch of little children, I get to choose what to do with my time. So the real answer is whatever you want. A lot of women want to go back to work or start a career once their children are a little bit older. And I hear many women say things like, "well, I don't have any experience. I was just a mom. I've just been at home and they feel really overwhelmed and frozen by making that leap." 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 08:41 

So first of all, I want to point out that if you have spent the last five or 10 or 20 or more years, primarily working at home, you have been doing valuable and important work. We happen to live in a world that defines economy in terms of paid work. And work that we do as women and at home is literally not valued, in the sense that there's not a paycheck, there's not money attached to it, it doesn't show up on the national GDP. And yet, studies are very clear that our whole economic system actually depends on the unpaid work that primarily falls to women. And of course, the work that we do creating safe and pleasant homes, well-nurtured children, creating all of the celebrations that happen in our homes, all of that work is priceless. So first of all, I want to really, really honor work that women do that doesn't show up as paid or professional work. It is important work. 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 09:59 

And in addition, it is highly skilled work. Really advanced expertise that you use at home for your work, and expertise that does transfer over into the, I'm making air quotes, "workforce" that is valuable for potential employers as well. 

Tanya Hale 10:24 

Yeah, I love that because I think it is so easy to feel like "what am I going to do?" Like, I love this thought that I think so many women have: "I was just a mom." And even and in context, we say that because I felt very, very powerful about the  work that I did when I was a stay-at-home mom. I loved it. I knew how influential it was. I knew how important it was. I felt very strong and I never felt like I was just a mom. But when it came to putting it into the workforce and saying, "Okay, well, now I'm going to start going to work", by the time I went to work, my degree was 15 years out. You know, and I hadn't been doing a lot of the things. And so then that thought, "just a mom," makes it easy to pop up. And yet if I can just do a little thing here, when we put that in the thought model, if I think "I'm just a mom," what emotions does that create? Maybe emotions like insecure, unqualified, not confident. 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 11:29 

Inferiority. 

Tanya Hale 11:30 

I love that, "inferiority," right? And then those feelings create what kind of actions? Overwhelmed, frozen, procrastination, hiding in the corner, like not even trying, right? And so when we start transferring this idea that "I'm just a mom," like what I have to offer the world is not valuable, which is to me the underlying idea in that phrase, "just a mom," it shows up with us not showing up with all the amazing stuff that we have to show for the work and the expertise that we actually currently have and have created over the years. 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 12:10 

Yeah, I think you are exactly right. That thought work model is exactly what needs to happen in this situation because that gap that exists in our society, and I should say that gap that we imagine exists in our society, between unpaid work at home and paid work not at home. That gap creates all of this resistance and triggers all of these beliefs of, "yeah, I've been really powerful and successful and done great work at home, but that doesn't mean I can get a job. That doesn't mean anybody wants to pay me for my work." I think women just need to really be on the lookout for those feelings and those thoughts. That resistance of "I can't, I'm not qualified, I'm inferior. Yes, I did that, but that doesn't mean I can do this." I mean, often those feelings are a sign that you are exactly on the right track, right? 

Tanya Hale 13:12 

Yeah, well, and it's good information to know that, "oh, I'm seeing the work as I did as not being transferable or not being valuable." And yet, when I decided to go back into teaching, so I had gotten my teaching certificate and then never taught in a classroom after I did student teaching. And so when I decided to go back to the school, gosh, I was such a better teacher than I was right after I got my teaching certificate, even though I had not been teaching in the class, because by that point, I had four children. The oldest was, I think, 15 when I went back to work. And my ability to communicate, to be clear, to have boundaries, to do all those things was so much stronger that I stepped into the classroom as though I had been a veteran teacher. Because of all those years of learning to have a voice, learning to get things done, learning to be organized, all of that stuff really paid off for me. 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 14:14 

Yes, yes, absolutely. We wrote a resume a couple of years ago for a woman who wanted to start a career as a surgical tech after having been a mom at home for many years. And we put a whole section on her resume called, I don't remember what we called it, "medical experience" or something like that, she had had a very, very medically fragile child who had used all kinds of pieces of equipment, had undergone all kinds of surgeries and this woman had used that equipment to take care of her daughter, helped her daughter through all of these surgeries. Wouldn't you so much rather have as the surgical tech for you this mom who has been on the other side of that experience has had all of that life experience as opposed to a brand new 20-something who just got out of school. All of that life experience is so valuable. 

Tanya Hale 15:15 

Such a brilliant point. Such a brilliant point. Okay, so let's jump in then. So for the middle aged women out there who are like, okay, so how do I start moving into this next? Because I get a lot of women who are like, "now I just don't know where to even start. I don't know what to do. I don't know what interests me. I don't know which direction to even go. I just feel a little bit stuck." So what would you say would be the first step for a woman who feels like "I want to do something. I actually want to get a job or I want to go outside the home to do things, but I'm not really sure what direction to go." How would you consult them? 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 15:53 

Yeah, so the question is where do your skills and your talents and your preferences show up in the job force? And I think a really great way to start zeroing in on that is to get on LinkedIn or Indeed and start browsing job descriptions. And what you  are looking for is if you imagine a Venn diagram, the sweet spot is going to be the intersection between what you're good at doing, what you actually like doing, and what you can get paid for. There are some things that you can get paid for that you would just hate. So let's not do those. There are some things that you love doing, but nobody's going to actually pay you for them. There are some things that you are good at that you don't like. So you're kind of looking for that intersection. I'm good at it. I like doing it. It kind of lights me up. I find it energizing and it exists in the job force. So start reading through job descriptions. 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 16:59 

One of the challenges is the thing that you are good at and like doing and can get paid for, you might not even know what it's called yet. Customer success, for example, is a great career path that just didn't even exist a number of years ago. So that's the person who works for a tech company, knows how that tech company's products work and helps their clients use those products. So kind of the liaison between the tech company and the clients. It takes lots of communication, lots of problem solving, lots of coordinating between different groups and that whole job just didn't even exist not long ago. So you might not know what job you're looking for just because you don't know what it's called or because it didn't exist the last time you were in the workforce. So just keep searching job descriptions, reading different ones, reading the qualifications, taking note, maybe you find some job title terminology in one job description and now you search up that one and use that to kind of get at least a general idea. 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 18:12 

I mean, ideally, you're going to start a job search knowing exactly what you want. That's not always realistic. So you're trying to at least get it into a general idea. Are you looking for project management? Are you looking for office administration? Do you want to go back into teaching and so maybe you're looking for a classroom assistant job? Just getting kind of a general idea of where you're targeting your focus. 

Tanya Hale 18:41 

I love that. And I think one thing that you and I talked about before we started pressing record was that we need to be looking to get on the right path, not necessarily in our ultimate dream job right away, right? Because we may not be able to step right into what our dream job is, but is this path a stepping stone? Is this job a stepping stone to the direction that I want to go? 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 19:06 

Yeah. So if you have not had a job for 15 years, you may not immediately step into your ideal role that's paying you six figures and checks all the other boxes. You may need to kind of start in more of an entry-level role with the goal and expectation that you're going to move up rapidly from there, kind of like what you were saying, Tanya, about your teaching experience, once you got in, your expertise and maturity and wisdom and all of those things really helped you. And so hopefully from there, you are able to progress into your ideal role. 

Tanya Hale 19:47 

And probably faster than an 18- or 20 year old, I would imagine. Because we have all of this expertise and life experience and knowledge and wisdom about people and communicating with people and working with people, all that stuff, right? 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 20:03 

Yep, absolutely. Yeah, so you want to kind of get on the track and then progress from there. And another way of looking at it also is to start looking at your personal network. If you are interested in tech companies, who do you know that works at a tech company that you could invite out to lunch and just get a little more information. What kind of roles are they looking for? What's important for them? What would be the one thing that you could add to your resume that would make you a more attractive candidate and start getting some of that insight information? 

Tanya Hale 20:42 

Very good. Don't they also have a lot of like women's work groups like mentoring groups and stuff? 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 20:51 

Yeah, and lots of companies as part of their diversity initiatives are on the lookout for return-to-work moms and non traditional candidates. I love an organization here in Utah called Tech Moms which trains moms for jobs in tech. So if you're interested in that, definitely check them out. Sometimes there are return ships they're called. So women returning to work. So yeah, definitely check out those programs. And I would also say, even if you have not had a regular full-time job for a number of years, I would bet money that you do have things that could go on a resume. Volunteer projects, doing the books for your spouse's business, putting together a website for a friend's business, community work, volunteering in schools, putting together events, organizing, youth groups. Women are almost always doing something. Running an Etsy shop, you do have things that you've been doing. And so even if you haven't had a full-time job for a number of years, you probably do have things you've been doing that fill that gap on your resume. 

Tanya Hale 22:13 

I love that. I think we absolutely undersell ourselves, right? We come in this one-down position of, "I've been just a mom" rather than, "wow, look at all the amazing tools and skills and things that I've done over the years that really are transferable." But a lot of times we don't see them as such. 

Tanya Hale 22:33 

So then after we've gotten an idea of the kind of job we want to do, after we've done some of these informational interviews and talked with people and really started to clarify that, what's what's the next part? 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 22:48 

So you can definitely start doing some things to increase your school skill level. So for example, the tech mom's program, there are all kinds of online courses that are inexpensive or free if you want to brush up some of your technical skills or your project management skills or instructional design or whatever it might be. But honestly, I think the most important thing you can do is start applying for jobs. I would say if if you want to get a new job, you've done some research, you have a at least general job target, go ahead and apply for 25 jobs. That will get your foot in the door in terms of what am I getting feedback on and what am I just not hearing on? Have I had any interviews? How did those go? You really have to learn by doing. And people get stuck for all those resistance reasons that we have discussed. "Well, I'm not going to start applying yet. I'm going to prepare a little bit more. I'm going to tinker with my resume a little bit more. I'm going to wait until I finish this online course that I'm taking." I would say start applying for jobs. The job market, especially right now, but always, this is the case. A job search is a little bit more of a marathon than a sprint. You should expect to apply for dozens of jobs. And maybe for every 10, maybe you'll hear back from one. And it's going to take a few months. So start applying. Brush up on your interviewing skills. Follow up on applications that you submitted last week or a few weeks ago. Check in, see if you can provide any more information. Ask them if they have any questions, but really just jump in and start applying. 

Tanya Hale 24:49 

I'm kind of surprised when you say that you'll put out 10 or 12 resumes and maybe hear back from one. I think that feels very discouraging. But if we look at that as, "oh, well, that's the norm. We're going to put this many out and just not get very many responses." 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 25:10 

Yeah. Yeah. I hear from people all the time. In fact, a friend of mine said, well, I wanted a new job. I applied for 20 and I only heard back from two. I didn't get any job offers. So I think I'm just going to go a different direction." Putting out 20 resumes and hearing back from two is totally, totally normal. And there's a lot of variation, depending on your field and a million other factors. I mean, that's part of the problem with job applications. Who knows? Maybe they decided to hire from within. Maybe they decided they're actually not going to hire for this position right now. Who knows? Maybe they're going to get back to you next week and you're just sort of giving up a little too early. Maybe they are going to offer the job to somebody else, but that person is not going to work out. So then they're going to come back to you. Yeah, it's a numbers game. You need to be putting in a lot of applications, following up on the old ones and just keep going and don't get discouraged. It really is a marathon. 

Tanya Hale 26:13 

I love that viewpoint because I think I would be a person who would put out 10 and go, "Oh look, like, Nobody wants me, I'm told not to work at all," right? So let me tell you a fun story. So I have this amazing daughter-in-law and she was looking for a new job and there was a company that she wanted to work with a lot and she put in like three different resumes for them. And the hiring manager just never picked up on her ever. And she finally sent an email to the CEO of the company and said, "listen, I would love to work for you. This is why, these are my qualifications." And the CEO went back to the hiring manager and said, "what is up with this? Why aren't you pulling this person's resume and getting her an interview?" And it got her right into an interview and she ended up getting the exact job that she wanted. Which I think this following up piece, you know, it's amazing when I talk to younger people that are like, "well, I've put in all these applications and nobody's getting back to me." Tell me about follow-up. How do you follow up and how do you do that in an effective way? 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 27:20 

Yeah, okay. So a couple of things. Imagine the hiring manager for this job. They have a lot of other things going on. They're distracted. They're kind of bored as they're reading through all of these resumes. So your mindset is, "how can I make their job easier?" And that's what you wanna do for this company anyway. You're trying to get a job where you're gonna make things easier for whoever at this company. You're gonna be bringing value. You're gonna be solving problems. So you start with that mentality right off the bat. You can often on LinkedIn browse around a little bit and figure out who is the hiring manager for this role. And then you just connect with them. "Hey, I just submitted my application. Looking forward to hearing from you." Or a couple of weeks later, "just a reminder, I submitted my application for this role. I think I'm a good fit because X, Y, Z. Let me know if you have any questions for me." They can be really brief. They can be from the mentality of "I'm making things easier for you, I'm providing a little more information," or it can just be "what's the decision-making timeline looking like on this role. Give me an update." 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 28:43 

I would also say lots of jobs end up going through someone that you know or someone who recommends you. So your daughter-in-law was really effective at getting the CEO to be her champion and advocate at the company. But let's say you find a job that you're interested in. Your first question is, "do I know anybody who's working there already? Can I sleuth around on LinkedIn and find, oh my gosh, my neighbor from my house seven years ago works at this company, I'm going to reach out to them. Can they introduce me? Can they mention my name to the hiring manager? Can they give me any inside information on, you know, the prior person got fired because of x, or they're hiring for this role because the company really wants to start doing this new kind of thing." Just start kind of casting your mind pretty broad, who you know, that works in this area, or might know someone who works in that area. 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 29:47 

This is kind of part of the manifesting mindset, right? I want a job in instructional design, and I'm just going to start telling every single person I run into, I'm looking for a job in instructional design. Just start putting it out there, like literally telling people, and wait and see what happens. Somebody might say, "a friend of mine is blah, blah." 

Tanya Hale 30:13 

So that sounds like a long process sometimes. I think sometimes though, we get in the mindset that we think, "oh, I'm going to put out my resume and I'll be have a job offer next week and start the next Monday after that." And it just sounds like it just generally is not really that that cut and dried and easy. I'm sure it is sometimes, but it sounds like a lot of waiting, a lot of following up a lot of applications. 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 30:40 

Yeah, yeah, we had a client who was older, I would say maybe in her 60s, and had not "worked," I'm doing air quotes again, for like 20 years. So she wanted to get a job in accounting, we wrote a resume for her that included a lot of her volunteer work, the fact that she sometimes helped friends and family members with their taxes, we called that freelance tax accounting and put that on her resume. She ended up getting two jobs offers within a week. So yeah, that was amazing. 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 31:17 

My mom called herself a "full time homemaker." And she did that for 20 years or so. And she got a job from a friend of hers, a friend of hers recommended her for a job at the company of this guy and the other ward. And she was stuffing envelopes for them, and then worked her way up through that company. And by the time she retired, she was managing millions of square feet of commercial office space. So your kind of success point, who knows, it's going to be a friend of yours who recommends you for someone, it's going to be a job application that you sent in yesterday, it's going to be a job application you sent in two months ago that you kind of forgot about and suddenly they come back to you. You just don't know exactly how that path is going to go. But I think that's another reason why that mindset piece is so important of "yes, I can do this. Yes, I do have value to offer. Yeah, you are lucky to have me applying for your job." So I think just that "yes, I can, I'm going to figure it out. I'm going to keep going. Yes, I can." 

Tanya Hale 32:35 

Hmm. I love that. Because I think, you know, along with the work that I do, a lot of the mindset stuff makes such a huge difference in how we end up showing up because our thoughts create our feelings and those feelings, create our actions. And if we're creating some pretty difficult emotions, like insecure, inferior, that kind of stuff, it's going to be really hard to show up and to keep showing up if we happen to be on a path that's going to take a little bit of time to find a job that we want. 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 33:05 

Yeah, and I would say that that insecurity and imposter syndrome, I mean, it's just normal, it never goes away. I feel like that every time I like have to dress up, I say I'm putting on my boss babe costume and going out to this event. I work with a group of private equity executives. So these are people primarily middle aged men, who have made, you know, millions and billions of dollars for companies products that you would recognize. And they are riddled with imposter syndrome all the time. They have had this unbroken career history of full time jobs where they've been doing amazing things. And now they're in between jobs and they feel like, "oh my gosh, I'm never going to get another job. I've been a fraud this full time and now everybody's going to know it." So really just I think normalizing that those feelings are going to pop up, noticing them and then doing the thought work around it. "Yeah. I'm feeling this feeling and I am not going to let it stop me from doing the thing that I want to do and I can do." 

Tanya Hale 34:17 

I love it. Good stuff, Angela. I think there's a lot of women that contact me who are like, "I just don't even know what to do next. I don't know how to," so I love this. I think this is great for those women who feel like they want to move into the workforce, the paid workforce, I guess we should say, want to start making some money. I think this is some really good information to know where to start. So, okay, so Angela, will you just let people know where to find you, how to find you and all that kind of stuff? And then we will call it a good day, call it a day. 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 34:50 

Yes, I would love for you to follow along. I'm always posting information about job search, best practices, resume tips, all of those things. So, I'm at upwordresume.com and that's U-P-W-O-R-D, upwordresume. I have an upword resume blog with tons of information. If you are looking for help with a career reentry resume, we have a special service just for that. If you go to upword resume, there's a "who we serve" tab and one of the items under there is "career reentry." So you can check that out. And then we're on LinkedIn, we're on Instagram, we're on Facebook. So follow us at upwordresume. We really have a soft spot in our heart for return-to-work moms. Like I said, I have six children, so I have done so much of my professional work at the kitchen table. And most of the really great resume writers on my team are moms who are fitting their resume work into their family lives. So we have a soft spot in our hearts and would love to help. 

Tanya Hale 36:04 

Love it. And I will put all that in the show notes. So if you're listening to this and you're like, I don't want to write stuff down, you can just go to your whatever podcast app you're looking at and go to the show notes and you can find the information there. So Angela, thank you so much. So great to reconnect with you. 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 36:23 

Yes, it was really fun, really great chatting with you. Keep up the good work. 

Tanya Hale 36:27 

Thank you. You too, my friend. Okay, have an awesome, awesome day. 

Angela Ashurst-McGee 36:32 

You too, thank you. 

Tanya Hale 36:36 

Alright, we are back. Isn't she great? I love Angela. She has so much wisdom to share in this arena of getting back out into the world, especially after taking a lot of years to be a stay at home mom and how to get back in. So check her out. I'll have all of her information in the show notes so that you can connect with her if you would like to. Alright, and that's going to do it for me. 

Tanya Hale 37:03 

If you are interested in some coaching, if you want to start this new year off right, either check out the classes that I've got going, the "Mindset Reset" or the "Relationship Reset" or if you feel like coaching, it's time for you to step into that and really make 2025 your year of getting where you want to go, of nudging yourself in the direction of creating what you really really want to create, I would love to talk with you. I would love to sit down and have a coaching session with you where we can work through your stuff. I can help give you some insight and some understanding as to your behaviors that might be holding you back and we can talk about coaching and see if it's gonna be a good fit for you. I promise you that I am not a hard sell, but I also promise you that your life will be very different if you engage in some coaching. Okay, that's gonna do it  for me this week. Have an awesome, awesome week, a great new year, and I will see you next week. Bye! 

Tanya Hale 38:04 

Thank you so much for joining me today. If you would love to receive some weekend motivation, be sure to sign up for my free "weekend win" Friday email: a short and quick message to help you have a better weekend and position yourself for a more productive week. Go to tanyahale.com to sign up and learn more about life coaching and how it can help you get to your best self ever. See ya!